motobikes at little ovens
yesterday at little ovens several motobikes found little ovens and the connecting trails and took it upon themselves to rip it up.most of the small berms have been pushed out or totally destroyed and in several places they have sat in the middle of the trail and dug deep ruts.i'm sick of this shit going on.on more than one occasion i've confronted them.the usual excusses of they didn't know or get f@#*ed followed.it's time to act people.if we don't protect these trails we'll have no where worth riding.if you know where they are parking can you pm me.there are about 4 regular crews that use little ovens ,gungin and the tracks around memory lane.i'm going to email dec about the problem but i'm sure they will say they can't do anything.it's time to act, any info will be much appreciated.
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I was recently at the goat
I was recently at the goat farm and came accross a couple of kids riding a dirt bike up the DH track, I asked then to stay off the trails but they basicly ignored me. Neighbours around the area have heard them and others also, What rights do we have to move them on, i assume there not allowed to be there so how can we stop them, Whats the best way to go about it?
proberly best to contact the
proberly best to contact the ranger , they can give on the spot fines and let down there tires, and unlike the police that give a damn about this kind of thing , u would proberly find alot of rangers like to go mtbing. last week while i was looking for information on the salt lakes in rockingham i came across a forum used by motor bikers in perth discussing good places to ride, now i cant find it again but ill keep looking.
Dont discount the cops...!
Who says they dont give a damn? Have you even spoken to Police about the problem?
I am sure Mundaring and Kalamunda coppers are keen to help out... If it is dangerous - which it is - they can act on the information...
kalamunda cops
i went to see the cops about it after verbal altercations with a group of moto riders.the police basically said they can't do anything unless we get video proof.even then it would be a waste of their resourses.this bloke rides mtb and is a local and said the cops are well aware of the problem.he suggested dec or the rangers but if they are not there when it happens they can't do anything.like mountain bikers these idiots on motor bikes have forums to discuss where to ride.gungin and kalamunda and mundaring are up for grabs.we need to get them out asap or they will destroy our trails.places to ride are hard enough to find ,if they wreck this then what do we do?where do we go?mtb is a recreation for me but i won't sit around any longer putting up with it.i'm ready to phyically stop these arseholes if the chance arrives,but i wonder who else is?i think most people will do nothing and i think this will be the reason why motos are here to stay and the condition of our tracks will suffer.i won't be parking near trail heads any more, i think this gives their location away, instead i'll use designated car parks.i'd like to hear from other riders and their opions too.
mx bikes
Correct me if I am wrong but I believe there is a special unit of cops with high powered mx bikes that get out to catch these hoons from time to time. They have a good success rate or so I have been told.
But yeah a phone call to police will help.
Separation of trail usage by design
Some consideration of trail design can help. Periodic tight, twisty, or otherwise difficult sections can deter bigger bikes.
This is a non-confrontational and effective response.
They will be sorry once we get hold of em
I hear ya mate... I hate violence but sometimes its the only way. They are completely stuffing up the berms & often tear holes out of the jumps. If someone came flying down Gungin & didnt know one of the jumps had been vandalized they could be seriously injured...
We are on the lookout for them & if we get our hands on them they will be sorry I guarantee it.
I still dont know how they can have fun riding the single tracks around there... Mind you im sure their idea of fun is ruining someone elses.
along comes Mr Oysterhead.....
Interesting problems. Motos
Interesting problems. Motos riding "our' illegal trails.
That sentence is a bit annoying for most of you (It is to me!) but that is the reality of it. DEC would love to get the Motos out of there but it is a bit hard to say that when we are in there considering we don't want them to take away any more mountain bike trails until we have had them replaced by some legal trails.
The suggestion of violence is the dumbest thing you could do. you just end up being a news story about one punch instead of acheiving anything beneficial.
Some good ideas there regarding tight sections especially near the start of each trail that annoy motos and parking away from trail heads should help.
A different approach would be to help campaign for motos to get there own recreational area. I'd love if walkers started doing that for us!
maybe a spy camera at the parking areas
this idea could be used to get the license plate number of the car and trailer they use to get the bikes up there, the cops always say they need video proof, if there is a way thats practical though.
the best way is to out smart the motorbikers , they dont seem to be all that with it "i mean they think burning rubber is fun " . you could proberly make a fake sign saying mtb trail with an arrow pointing away from the real trail and they would following it .
motos in little ovens
you're right john.we aren't technically supposed to be there but at least most of us do the right thing and take care of the trails and try not to modify them.unlike the mx'ers we are not there to destroy it and just ride through the bush when we don't like the trail or dump rubbish at our "camp" sites.a lot is going on at the moment behind the scenes with dec and the cops.i was told unofficially that dec has plans for us and motos in the reigon, and it isn't good.ring dec to find out for yourselves.rangers have been verbally abused and assaulted by mx riders and vehicles damaged.this will be published in kalamunda and mundaring local rags.a group of mtb riders doing the munda biddi down south were forceably removed from a sanctioned hut by up to 30 (i shit u not) motorbike riders.apparently they found the mx cars and trailers and let down all the tyres!! hooray.dec n cops were informed.but we are in there sights too.they know most of the trails around little ovens and gungin, even the new ones and are planning on busting anyone holding a shovel.we need to do the righty and not give them a reason to stop us being there.although i stand by my previuos statment, i will do what i can if i catch these bastards.to me actions speak louder than words.sitting on the fence and doing nothing is no longer an option.the hard thing is finding where they park.the bloke at dec said the mx are highly organised, mobile phones, gps etc and they use forums like us to communicate.they visit our forum to get maps and pose as mtb riders to gather info.they know it's easier to find a track and ride it than to build one.they don't want to negotiate or go through the right channels.it pisses me off.some mtb riders are the same and it makes it hard for us all.i think all this trouble will send mtb further underground and the mx riders are going to ruin it for every one.well that's my rant, i'd like to here from others.....
interesting...
my thoughts then... seeying as though they were asked for.
I didn’t want to say any thing at first but it seems as though some people are making comments here which are very much suggestive of starting an all out war. This is interesting considering mountain bike riding and off-road motorcycle riding are one and the same. They are two disciplines of bike riding which feed of each other and are in essence branches of the same sport. If there are any factions forming here the most apparent is between those who actually enjoy riding their bikes in the bush and those who are so closed to other forms of off-road RIDING they must be getting enjoyment elsewhere (god knows what from… perhaps the satisfaction from a ripped set of nicely toned but cheeks??). FFS. Please get over yourselves. In all honesty a couple of you in this thread (not all) sound like a bunch of ignorant and arrogant fools. You don’t have some sort of sole claim over the bush and guess what…they were even there first! (If you want to turn this into some form of poxy colonialist land title fight as it seems).
Factions?
Looks to me like the only factions forming here are one of riders who like riding their MOUNTAIN bikes in the bush on nicely maintained trails built by MOUNTAIN bikers for the purpose of MOUNTAIN biking and then some guy, most likely aforementioned mx riding forum shark, whose first and only post here tells us that it's ok that motorbikes tear up the trails because they're bikes too. I must be such an arrogant ignoramus to think this though...
PS. When people asked for thoughts they probably wanted to hear thoughts on the issue actually being discussed. It's not a fight over the land, we'd all happily admit that these trails aren't where they are supposed to be anyway. Dig your own trails nearby if you have to ride there but we'd rather mx riders didn't selfishly undo the work of the trail fairies. God bless the fairies.
Tis reads just like a
Tis reads just like a walkers forum when they talk about mountain bikers.
Lets all linch em.................
Dicks
firstly this is my first
firstly this is my first post as my old account apparently doesnt exist anymore (i havent posted on the website in a good couple of years). Secondly while the issue being discussed is definatly a relevant one (to stop moto riders carving up mountain bike specific trails) the way in which the discussion is progressing is simply rediculous and the anti-dirt bike sentiment unfounded and illogical. The notions being spread of resorting to violence and wishing hard line justice apon moto riders are rediculous. I was simply pointing out that those who can't get over a few rutts and blow outs from a few straying moto riders (straying onto unmarked trails in some cases) are extremly closed minded and ignorant. they're out there for the same buzz of riding a bike for f*ck sake. I'm not taking one side or the other: moto or mtb as I love both forms of what i believe are the same activity: riding. What i am doing is simply providing a ballanced and global viewpoint in a thread which is extremly closed minded. "Mx forum shark" haha that's about as stupid and damaging a term as the theiving jew...
I really hope people get where i'm coming from here or they are unfortunatly more closed than i had hoped..
Cheers. Deon.
hide your illeagal trails better
Never has there been a mx bike on secret hidden trail that I have seen.
motos
what you say does ring true to a certain extent deon.all we want, motos and mtb is a place to ride.but the majority of motos don;t care about sustainable trails and getting along with others.have you not read the other comments in my post?they bring a bad attitude and violence with them.did you not hear about the 8 mtb riders down south on the munda biddi?do you evan ride at gungin and little ovens?motos have dozens of 4wd tracks and the power lines to ride but it just ain't enough.go out there ask them why they are riding on these skinny trails?see what response you get.i was reading last year that little ovens and the kalamunda circuit are dual use.the rule is don't alter the tracks with jumps and berms etc. and always give way to bush walkers.that is why dec have allowed us to use them.i've been out there for 2 years and never heard a complaint from walkers.the trails in the area have been degraded badly due to the arrival of motos in the last 6 months.in my opinion motos and mtb can't share same tracks.the size and power difference of a moto to a mtb and the impact they have on trails is more profound than we could ever do.they have areas to ride and so do we, why the need to destroy what we have.talk to other locals deon and get their opinion and talk to dec to find out whats really going on
motos
everyones comments are welcome deon.most people here are one eyed mtb riders like me,i don't like to diss people,nor should other uses, everyones point of views are relevant and welcome.i'd like to hear from regular uses of little ovens, am i going overboard?should we tolerate motos using these trails?will we lose these trails because dec are fed up with mtb and motos?perhaps this was the last straw for dec?theyv'e had a strong presence in the area for the last few months, man so many angles, whats in store for the reigon??????
I haven't experienced this
I haven't experienced this yet, but I'm sure it would annoy the hell out of me also to find a "nice" MTB track flogged out from a MX bike. This debate reminds me of another one I have long been part of ..... bodyboarders vs surfers ..... and as the sports both get more popular, the problem is only going to get worse. I'll grab some popcorn, sit down and hold on for the ride!
MX riders not only damage
MX riders not only damage trails , believe it or not they are driving wild life away from the places they ride, a dirt bike produces alot of sound which is taken as vibrations to wild life. i live in port kennedy right next to the scientific research parks , u are allowed to walk in these parks and im sure u can ride a mtb there but mx bikes are not allowed , the mx riders will just cut through the fence and now the access gates have be locked so no one can get in. im not saying its all MX riders i know they have clubs that ride by the law , but those that dont just dont respect others enough
damn motos
if it were up to me ide take a steel cable up there and clothes line the bastards.. light their bike on fire and leave the fuk wits to deal with the problem.. but thats jst a 18 year old with a broken necks perspective
Moto issue
Any suggestion of violence is completely detrimental to your cause as it will more than likely result in a crackdown on all kinds of off road recreation as well as prosecution if you're caught. Also, suggesting rigging steel cable up is hugely irresponsible. Do you really feel motorbike riders deserve to suffer life threatening injuries or possibly death for riding what are probably illegal mountain bike tracks anyway?
a steel cable?hhmm
i think drewmouli is takin the piss aaron.steel cables are so hard to come by nowadays.plain old barbed wire is more affordable and easy to get.you can buy 5 times the length for half the price.i'm thinking of starting a fund, any donations people?i can write you a receipt for tax purposes!! ;)
Steel cable
I was hoping it was sarcastic, but hard to tell on internet forums, esp. without smilies etc.
motobikes at little ovens
wow!let's take a step back and look at what is going on here!I have been riding the trails here and overeas for many years and have rarely come across any problems with any mxers,if anything my encounters have always been courteous and friendly,as they are also enjoying their contact with nature and Miss Adrenaline.MXers can only ride part of our trails as most of the sinlgletrack is toooooo tight and technical.There is a minority like in everything in life so unfortunately we have to accept that.The only way to reduce the access to the problem is to incorporate "filters"that will exclude anyone who is not up to riding that part of the trail.The Bush is here to stay,we are mere travellers through it,so let's enjoy our journey and leave as small an emprint as we can,but foremostly let's not forget to share what is there,whether it's with Bushwalkers,MXers,Mountainbikers,there is space enough for everybody in different parts.Let's make use of it as best we can and move forward towards more,better,longer,legal,sexier,sustainable trails!
The problem here is the
The problem here is the inability of the government (Dec) to move fast enough with what the population require in the way facilities for recreation use. They won't close the trails to us as they know we can be a sneeky bunch and start building somewere else. But they do have to realize that the reason this is happening is that facilities arn't being provided or they arnt marketing them to the right people.
Also the poulation of Perth is increasing at an incredable rate this in turn requires even more resorces that the government just don't have.
Plus young kids are just rebelious as can be seen in some comments on here, when I was young I to use to race thru the bush on my moto (RM125 sweet machine) the rangers then chased us we thought it was fun!
When you look a the bigger picture there's always a bigger picture.
Hmmm
Yeah the problem is the attitude of the stray MX riders and the majority of most of the others too! (I know quite a few) All it takes is one MX to do heaps of damage which is unfortunate.
The problem is that MX'ers can use whichever tracks they want, while MTB'ers cant use MX tracks because of the dilapidated state that they are all in.
I suggest a "plant a tree Busy Bee" where everyone comes down with a native tree or 2 and a shovel and we go about planting them on the edge of the trails to make them firmer and tighter.
Peace out!