Perth Mountain Bike Club

hope fully it still all out there on sunday

Wanna be a trail pixie? Cool. Get in touch with the PMBC and find out how you can help build and maintain LEGAL trails.
This is not North Vancouver, you don't have a right to build new trails where ever you like. Ride the trails that are provided.
If you want new trails, get involved and make mountainbiking in WA better. All this does is play into the hands of those
who would like to restrict our access to trails even further!

It says "MT Gungin VANDALISM and CLOSURE" does that mean that we can no longer ride on it or is the closure part a threat!

It is such a shame that we have these idiots in our midst.
I thought the whole origin of the north shore stuff was from Vancouver Canada, when the ground is just too boggy and muddy to be able to make a trail so they put in these raised wooden trails.Natural progression has raised the trails and narrowed their width but still they are there for a purpose. Now it seems that they are getting put up every where and to see the damage to the trees is just sad.
if you want to ride these things piss off to canada, or go back to clown college and learn the tightrope and keep them out of the areas where there are ridable trails already.
We will all lose a great spot, just beacuse it is undeniably environmentally damaging, ugly and unsafe. ( just so you can pretend you're really tuff and can post the footage on youtube to impress all the other year 9s).
i hope one of you f'ers stacks real hard on the crap you have built.

Have a look at the pile of shit at the "northshore " section near the 12hr track at Jarrahdale. Its trashed , rotten and mostly can't be ridden. Is that what you want for Mt Gungin?
Now Piss off and go buy a moto like all the other posers that can't pedal.

talent? they build 6ft hucks to flat, not really any skills there

Hiya Guys,
I'm up for cleaning up.
Just get me a lift to mt gunjin ,and i'll work on cleaning it up

As a qualified Horticulturalist, What has taken them a few hours with a chainsaw will take up to 20 years to replace. This is not a good thing when it looks like the trees cut down were what is termed epicormic/Basal growth, growth a the result of Damage, ie bushfire, and the stumps themselves will now shoot, creating a rather ugly bush/tree....

If it is necessary, on the otherside of the coin, If help is needed to build Rot resistant jumps,ramps etc, with treated pine or Steel, I'm willing to help out..Although i may never use, anything to save the trees....

Jack

.......You are nicksta............unlike the idiot "me" who only wishes harm upon his fellow mtnbkr........am i alone in thinking we all had a common respect for what we each believe is mountain biking??

Surely this particular forum should be used in a constructive manner to actually try and acheive something.....EVENTUALLY, as opposed to paying out in such an aggressive and single minded manner. Hoping that a fellow rider actually seriously hurts themselves...WTF!!, Just because you may be a little nervous to have your tyres leave terra firma....don't payout on others who enjoy riding differently. There is a strong demand for not only "Northshore" (which as we know is only a commonly used name to easily describe timber structures on the trail and is along 100's of trails throughout the world including Aust & NZ) but gnarlier downhill, dirt jumps and more technical xc tracks......so why would you try and alienate those "posers"

The issue is not that people choose to ride differently to each other, but how they're going about doing it, the stuff that's being removed needs to be removed for all the reasons JC has mentioned becuase it will hopefully be for the greater cause...............If DEC could open their F....g eyes and see that what we are asking for is not that much and not something that is going to destroy the bush for a million miles........a good VARIETY of challenging MTB trails thoughout our hills (not unlike the walking and horse trails that are already there for those users).

"Build it high, build it skinny"

"Now Piss off and go buy a moto like all the other posers that can't pedal." - Sorry, I reckon that right there is the wrong sorta attitude. Most of us that do like to hit something a bit different are for sustainable trail building as much as the next cat. I could be way off track, but I'd say moto's would do even more damage, ( the phase "peak oil" ring a bell?).

The right thing to do in this situation, as well as unfortunately pulling stuff down to illustrate what people shouldn't be doing in a peice of forrest such as Mt Gunjin is look at what people are inadvertently telling us when they borrow someones' cordless nailgun and chainsaw. My point being, DEC and other stakeholders in this situation have an opportunity to take action to prevent more halfassed "shore" style construction popping up in perhaps more fragile areas by responding with the right actions. Maybe somewhere like a pine plantation, or at least somewhere where dieback has not been an issue would be a better location for santioned shore-style riding spots. Don't go blaming bike shops or manufacturers, they're just filling a target market.

OK, I just read Wal's post on the "Vandalism and Littering" thread. I think my universe imploded as I read the process for getting a trail approved. Wow, so that answers question 3 from my previous post....my grandchildren will be building these trails long after I am pushing up daisies.

Anyway, keeping that in mind I think we may still be able to come up with some solutions.

We've already established that DEC are pulling them down.

You want to ride them? Then we're going to have to find somewhere to put them.

Alex, do you have any other suggestions

I was at the top of Gungin today and someone has dumped a pile of asbestos up near the tower.
I am always amazed at the effort some people will go to, to be cheap! I hope they ripped their diff out on the way back down.

Lets hope common sense prevails at Gungin, the track it is too good to lose access to it.

Just some information for everyone, the first legally approved north shore style structure will be installed this coming Saturday. It will be challenging for most but not that "extreme", I have worked very long and hard to build a relationship with DEC and I am finaly getting to the stage where we as a club can start building and installing these structures where appropriate. For the record, I love freeriding, xc riding, downhilling and trails riding, its all good! There are plans for more structures to be built down Dwellingup way later in the year as well as that I have included in the Kalamunda circuit project an area perfect for a network of NS structures. It all takes time, money and dedicated people to work within the guidlines and prove we "the mountainbike community" are responsible,self regulating and sensitive to the environment. What happened at Gungin was inevitable, there was way too much crap being put in there and it was very sad to see the destruction. I will be talking with DEC about organising a working day where we will organise to go in and clean up all around gungin, doing rehabilitation work and carrying out maintenance on the trails. If we can convince DEC to allow us to do this we will expect a huge turnout of volunteers to give up one possibly 2 days of there weekend to complete the work required.
Crank hard
Jamie Campbell

Thanks Jamie, your work will be enjoyed by many.

I'm in for helping out to maintain and develop Gungin. I ride there every week so it is in my interest, if you wanna ride it - help build it!

The legally approved NS style structure you mentioned, where is this going to be? Is it going to be part of the Little Oven / Gungin track?

like it or not but gunjin was never the place where you should build ns, its not something to just make drops, the terrain needs to be much steeper then gunjin to get the most out of ns, what was made as gunjin couldav jsut as easily been accomplished with a 4ft kicker to no landing

There are lots of things I could answer there but I will just work on some of the positive possibilities. Yes there is an opportunity to build some ns style strucutres at the Goatfarm. They will be probably of a more beginner level but will nevertheless offer an opportunity to develop your skills.

As far as hopw to make this happen. - I will organise a public meeting where people can explain what they want in terms of Northshore style things to include in the skills park that is going to be built at the Goatfarm. The skills park will have dirt jumps and some ns as well as a skills track around the creek that will include the new bridge that has gone in.

As for the clean up of Gungin I think there is a good chance we will get that happening in the next few weeks.

Thanks for all the positive comments there. There are some fairly wise people who have commented in this forum from experience as trail pixies and others who have gone about finding out what needs to happen.

To the young guys who want it to happend today you just need to be patient.

i met the blokes who built the skinnies that dec have removed,they seemed dedicated to building quality ns that is bigger and more challenging than the existing stuff,some of it may have been a bit dodgy,but not all of it was sh*tty,how many people actually rode it?i did .cutting down trees is bad and dec have a right to pull it down, but why pull down the other stuff too?it's been there for years and has stood up well.to lose the rest of the drops and jumps would only make people build elsewhere and cut new illegal tracks and structures, i'm very pissed off at the thought of going to gungin and only riding trails,and why was the wooden section of a jump at the top of gungin discarded into nearby bush?i use this jump (roll over) to get speed for the next double.my mate had a bad crash on the weekend because it was removed.finally if dec are so concerned about the enviroment around gungin why has numerous complaints about motobikes on trails not been addressed?and the super 6 fencing on top of mt gungin was left there.if dec had the ability to pull down structures and remove it from the site it could have taken the fencing too.thats my two bits ,love it or hate it...

don't knock on deaths door, ring the bell and run, its more fun.

I have been up to gudge lately and found piles of aspestos sheeting in the open space at the top and on the 4wd track as well. What kind of a-hole does this.
This area is still only young compared to some. Local authorities will act! some national park places are now charging for entry as a result of damage from our A-Hole visitors. Dob in an idiot. It sounds bad yet so does closure of your favourite tracks and pricey fines.
Don't be a dill or we cop the bill.

Don't Knock on deaths door. Ring the doorbell and run, It's more fun.

Tomorrow's constable care in the west.......... :)

Not today john but will tommorow ever come ????

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that north shore looked dope as well man. but why didnt u just bring a little bit more wood and make it free standing.

well at least when im out skating i dont have to build shit its already there

There is no need to get all offensive and aggressive,what has happened was due to happen sooner or later.It is no good pointing the finger aimlessly at other users or riders,the fact is DEC are well aware of what is happening in the bush.I feel a lot for the Freeriders as a lot of effort goes in to building your trails but like everything else there is a minority that will stuff it up for everyone else,it is called 'human nature".If you really love what you do you would condone the building of ramps using live timber and poorly thought out structures.It sucks that the whole lot had to be dismantled,but instead of getting offensive,get creative,instead of talking about the problem all the time let do something about it,action speaks louder than words.FastFreddie

hey bad chef when you get over doing 6ft drops to flat you can come ride with all us normal riders who do much larger drops OFF dirt to a actual lander :O

Firstly it is great to see people showing there EXTREME points of view from BOTH sides of the fence and then there are a few sitting on the fence and others trying to build it and some trying to knock it down. There are a thousands of people who enjoy mountain biking then there are hundreds who enjoy each different dicipline and a few who try and deal with the powers that be (DEC)to build and maintain all sorts of trails for all of the Mountain Bike Comunity for all Diciplines.
The peolpe who built the stuctures in question are very talented resoursefull people and out of frustration and lack of such structures to ride, built some thing they wanted to ride no different than putting in a new down hill or XC track with out approval (IN MY OPINION). Misguided and frustrated they may be but if the MTB community is put first this includes all us who have the time to go out in the bush and build structures and tracks that are NOT approved by the DEC does hinder the work that is approved and guided by the DEC. Trackman is building some approved North shore structures to be installed in the near future if not already done. Surely egos and emotion asside if we gave our support in the way of time and in some cases money to help we would all be better off. Supporting the organised working days we would acheive a lot more than with a few trying to accomadate all of the community.
TIME IS THE ESSENCE I KNOW and yes things do move to slowly but direct your efforts in the correct way and it will ultimately be for the better of all.
Thanks to all who objectively read my comments and yes the saop box I used to get on to my high horse is now free.LOL
The Rolling Stone Gathers No Moss

You know DEC are reading this....in fact they even feel the need to make anonymous comments from time to time (would be far more constructive to be more up front, at least then we can all get a better understanding of their perspective.......hey Rod???).

Flash, agree with you entirely, if DEC care only to remove/destroy structures that some people actually use (be they particularly safe or not), but have no desire to remove for more unsightly (AND EASIER TO GET TO) piles of rubbish they are being completely and utterly hypocritical.

Having said that, we should all take a leaf out of Grovesy's book when riding our trails.....if you see that someone else (unfortunately it's normally another mtbkr) has piffed a water bottle, can or wrapper, pick it up and take it out with you. The forrest belongs to us all, it's our responsibilty us much as DEC to ensure our kids get to use it in the same way.

IMHO the structures that already existed at gungin were quite well constructed and they had been there for quite some time and did not pose a threat to any ones health or safety, you either rode them or you didn't.
NOW I have a real problem with DEC / or one of you soy Lah tay sipping greenies, if you are going to change the trail warn people. Last sat 24th I was doing my usual run down gungin (the only real fun bit of Little Ovens) and some one had already removed the first roll over before the first jump subsequently, I suffered a massive contusion to my right Knee (I had leg armour on as well) and am still limping, hopefully no permanent damage but I will be off the bike for a few weeks. I also agree with the other posters who said it is entirely hypocritical of DEC to spend our hard earned tax dollars on removing structures doing absolutely no harm to any one when there is a big pile of possibly asbestos fencing still untouched at the top and numerous other piles of refuse scattered around the trails, that is just typical of these lazy, self important Beuracrats and it is also why so called illegal structures get built in the first place. Out of frustration!! (I am not a fan of NS either)
As for the new structures SO WHAT hardly the Exxon Valdez is it? And if you don't like riding NS don't! just loosen up your lycra a bit and keep the whining to yourself because there is no smoke without fire.

man ur not gunna belive this!!i had a mate that did the same thing off that very same rollover/jump.comes down to technique,look further foward,keep that head up "kuma". :P